Are Naps Good for Kids After School

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A child resting on a sofa after school in a quiet, softly lit living room.
In this post
  1. Why So Many Kids Come Home Tired
  2. What a Short Nap Actually Does
  3. When a Nap Helps Most
  4. When a Nap Starts to Hurt
  5. How Long a Nap Should Be, and How Late Is Too Late
  6. Age Matters: Younger Children and Older Children
  7. What to Do Instead of a Nap on Some Days
  8. Fitting the Nap Into a Real School Day
  9. My Take:

Most parents know this scene well. The school bell rings, the child walks through the door, drops the school bag on the floor, and falls onto the sofa without a word. The shoes stay half off, the lunch box is still in the bag, and the eyes are already closing. The child is not being lazy. The child is tired, in the honest, whole-body way that a long school day makes a young person tired. And then the question comes, the one parents ask each other at the school gate and search for on their phones: is it good to let a child nap after school, or will the nap cause trouble later at night?

The short answer is that a nap after school can be good, and it can also cause trouble, and the difference is not a mystery. It depends on how long the nap is, what time it starts, how old the child is, and how the night before went. A short nap in the early afternoon can give a tired child a second wind for homework, play, and dinner. A long nap late in the evening can steal sleep from the night, so the child lies awake at bedtime and wakes up tired again the next morning. This article explains the whole picture in plain words, so you can decide what fits your child and your home, without guilt and without guesswork.

Why So Many Kids Come Home Tired

A school day asks far more of a child than most adults remember. The day starts early, often before the body feels ready. Then there are hours of sitting, listening, reading, writing, and remembering. A child has to follow rules all day, wait for turns, sit still when they want to move, and keep their attention on the teacher even when their mind wanders. That kind of effort is tiring in a way that running around is not. Physical tiredness comes from the body. School tiredness comes from the brain working hard for hours without a real break, and it can leave a child feeling heavy, quiet, and slow by the afternoon.

The journey home adds to it. Some children walk a long way in the heat. Some wait for a bus that comes late. Some sit in traffic for an hour. By the time they reach the house, the energy they started the day with is mostly gone. Food matters too. Many children eat a small breakfast in a hurry, or skip it, and then eat lunch hours later. A body that has gone a long time without good food runs low on fuel, and low fuel feels like tiredness. A child who has not drunk enough water during the day feels it as well, because even mild thirst can make a person feel dull and heavy-headed.

There is also the emotional side of school, which adults often forget. A child may have had a hard day without saying so. A test that went badly, a friend who was unkind, a teacher who scolded them, a game they lost, a lesson they did not understand. Children carry these things quietly. They do not always have the words to explain them, so the feelings show up as tiredness instead. The child who falls asleep on the sofa may not only be sleepy. They may also be worn out from holding feelings in all day. That is why the after-school hours matter so much. They are the first time in the day when the child can relax, breathe, and be themselves again, and the body often uses that moment to ask for rest.

What a Short Nap Actually Does

A short nap is not the same as night sleep, and it is not meant to replace it. It is a small rest that lets the brain and body recover a little in the middle of the day. When a child closes their eyes for twenty or thirty minutes, the body slows down. The heart rate eases. The muscles relax. The brain, which has been taking in new information all day, gets a quiet gap to sort through some of it. Many people find that after a short rest, their thinking feels clearer and their mood feels lighter, and the same is true for children. A child who wakes from a short nap often seems like a different person from the one who fell asleep: brighter, more willing to talk, more ready to sit down with homework.

The nap also helps with the rest of the evening. A tired child finds everything harder. Homework takes longer, small things cause tears, and even a simple request like “wash your hands” can turn into an argument. It is not that the child is naughty. It is that a tired brain has less patience and less self-control. A short rest gives some of that patience back. Dinner goes more smoothly, the evening feels calmer, and the child is more pleasant to be around. Parents sometimes notice that the whole house feels different on the days their child naps, and that is not a coincidence. Rest changes mood, and mood changes the whole evening.

There is one more thing a nap does, and it is easy to miss. It teaches the child that rest is allowed. Many children grow up believing that stopping is a failure, that a good student keeps going until bedtime, and that tiredness should be pushed through. A short, planned nap teaches the opposite lesson: that the body sends signals for a reason, and that listening to them is sensible, not weak. A child who learns to rest when they are tired grows into an adult who knows how to look after themselves. That is a bigger gift than one good evening of homework.

When a Nap Helps Most

A nap helps most on the days when the child is clearly worn out, and the signs are usually easy to see. The child comes home quieter than usual. Their eyes look heavy. They yawn again and again. They lie down without being asked. They answer questions slowly, or they stop answering at all. They may be tearful over small things, or they may say their head hurts. These are not signs of laziness. They are the body’s way of saying that the day has used up more than it had to give. On days like these, a short nap is the kindest thing you can offer, and it often works better than any amount of coaxing or scolding.

A nap also helps after a bad night. If the child slept late the night before, woke up in the night, or had to get up very early for a school trip, the body starts the day already behind. By the afternoon, that missing sleep catches up. A nap in the afternoon pays back a little of what the night took away. It does not fix everything, and it does not replace a good night, but it makes the evening bearable instead of miserable. The same is true after a long or hard day at school, such as an exam day, a sports day, or a day with a school function that kept the child on their feet for hours.

A nap helps most when it is planned rather than accidental. When a child falls asleep on the sofa with the television on and the lights bright, the sleep is often shallow and broken, and the child wakes up confused and groggy. When the nap is planned, even in a simple way, it works better. The child lies down in a quiet place, the room is a little dark, the noise is low, and someone wakes them gently after a short time. That is the difference between a rest and a collapse. A planned nap says to the child: your tiredness is real, and we are going to look after it properly.

When a Nap Starts to Hurt

The trouble with naps begins when the nap is too long or too late. A child who sleeps for two hours in the late afternoon or early evening has used up a large part of the sleep their body was saving for the night. The body keeps a rough count of how much rest it has had, and when the afternoon nap fills much of that need, the body is simply not sleepy at bedtime. The child lies in bed, wide awake, while the parents grow frustrated. Then the next morning comes early, the child wakes up tired again, and the whole cycle repeats. A long nap does not create energy from nowhere. It borrows energy from the night, and the night always collects what it is owed.

A late nap can also leave the child groggy in a way that is worse than the tiredness it was meant to fix. Anyone who has slept too long in the daytime knows this feeling. You wake up with a heavy head, a dry mouth, and a strange sense of not knowing what time it is. For a child, that grogginess can last for half an hour or more, and during that time the child may be grumpy, slow, and unwilling to do anything. Parents sometimes watch this and think the nap has made things worse, and in that moment they are right. A nap that runs too long trades one kind of tiredness for another, and the evening is lost either way.

There is also the habit side of the problem. When a long late nap becomes a daily habit, the child’s whole sleep pattern can shift. Bedtime moves later. Mornings become harder. The child starts to depend on the afternoon sleep to get through the day, because the night sleep is no longer deep enough. Breaking that pattern takes time, because the body has learned a new rhythm, and rhythms do not change in one night. That is why it matters to catch the problem early, while the nap is still a choice rather than a habit the whole family has built its day around.

How Long a Nap Should Be, and How Late Is Too Late

The question every parent really wants answered is a practical one: how long, and until what time? There is no single number that fits every child, but there is a range that works for most families. A short nap of about twenty to thirty minutes is usually enough to refresh a child without stealing the night. Twenty minutes is enough for the body to slow down and the mind to rest, and thirty minutes is still short enough that the child wakes before falling into the deep sleep that is hard to wake from. Some children do well with forty-five minutes, especially younger ones, but once the nap goes past an hour, the risk grows that bedtime will suffer. The best way to find your child’s number is to watch and try. Start with a short nap, and notice how the evening and the bedtime go. If the child wakes fresh and still falls asleep at the usual time, the length is right. If bedtime becomes a struggle, the nap was too long.

Timing matters as much as length. A nap that starts soon after the child comes home, in the early afternoon, is usually safe. A nap that starts in the early evening, when dinner is being cooked and the day is nearly over, is much more likely to cause trouble. As a rough guide, the nap should finish at least three or four hours before bedtime. So if bedtime is nine o’clock, the nap should be over by five or six. That leaves the body enough time to build up sleepiness again before the night. If the child comes home very late from school, or has tuition in the evening, a nap may simply not fit that day, and a quiet rest instead, lying down with a book or listening to something calm, may be the better choice.

Waking the child matters too, and it deserves care. A child who is shaken awake or woken by a loud alarm often wakes up confused and upset, and the whole benefit of the nap is lost in tears. A gentle wake works better. Open the curtains a little, speak softly, let the child sit up slowly, and give them a glass of water and a few minutes to come back to themselves. Some children need a small snack after a nap, like a piece of fruit or a few biscuits, because their body has been resting and their stomach is ready to wake up too. A gentle ending turns a nap into a pleasant part of the day rather than something the child dreads.

Age Matters: Younger Children and Older Children

Age changes everything about naps, and what is right for a five-year-old is not right for a thirteen-year-old. Young children, from about three to six years old, still need a lot of sleep, and many of them genuinely need a nap during the day. Their bodies are growing fast, their brains are learning at a remarkable speed, and their sleep need is higher than that of an older child. A young child who skips a nap often becomes tearful, clumsy, and hard to manage by the evening, not because they are badly behaved, but because their body has simply run out of rest. For these children, a daily nap is not a luxury. It is part of how they stay healthy and happy, and parents should not feel guilty about giving it to them.

Children between seven and ten are in the middle. Many of them have stopped napping every day, but they still need one on hard days. A child of eight who had a full day at school, then an hour of tuition, then homework, may be as tired as a much younger child. The difference is that the older child can usually tell you, in words, that they are tired. They might say their eyes hurt, or their head feels heavy, or they just want to lie down. When an older child asks for rest, it is worth listening. A short nap on a hard day is better than pushing through and ending the evening in tears over homework that would have taken half the time after a rest.

Teenagers are a different story again. A teenager who naps for two hours after school every day may not be catching up on healthy rest. They may be staying up too late at night, often with a phone or a screen, and then using the afternoon nap to pay for the lost night sleep. That pattern can go on for months without anyone naming it. The nap looks like the solution, but it is really hiding the problem. For teenagers, the better question is often not whether the nap is good, but why it is needed every single day. A regular bedtime, a phone kept away at night, and a proper night of sleep will usually do more for a teenager than any afternoon nap can.

What to Do Instead of a Nap on Some Days

Not every tired afternoon needs a nap, and on some days a nap is not possible. The child may come home late, or there may be guests, or the house may be too noisy. On those days, a quiet rest can do much of the same work. A quiet rest means lying down or sitting comfortably for twenty minutes without screens, without homework, and without noise. The child can listen to a story, look at a book, or simply close their eyes. The body does not fall asleep, but it slows down, and the mind gets a break from the noise of the day. Many children find this easier than a nap, because they do not have to fall asleep, and they do not wake up groggy.

Movement can also help, which surprises many parents. A child who is tired from sitting all day may feel better after a short walk, a game in the garden, or even helping with a simple job at home. The tiredness of sitting is not the same as the tiredness of the body. A little gentle movement wakes the body up, brings fresh air into the lungs, and changes the mood. The key word is gentle. A hard game or a long run may tire the child more. A short walk, a slow game, or a few minutes of stretching is enough to shake off the heaviness of the school day.

Food and water are the third quiet helper. A child who comes home tired and hungry will feel better after a small, sensible snack and a glass of water. A piece of fruit, a few nuts, a small sandwich, or a bowl of yoghurt gives the body fuel it has been missing since lunch. Sweet drinks and packets of crisps give a quick burst of energy and then a crash, so they are a poor choice for a tired child, even though the child will ask for them first. Water matters as much as food. A child who has not drunk enough during the school day is often more tired than they need to be, and a glass of water after school is one of the simplest things a parent can offer.

The last alternative is the simplest of all: an earlier bedtime. If a child needs a long nap every single day, the real problem may be that the night is too short. A child who goes to bed at nine and wakes at six has had nine hours, which is not enough for many young children. Moving bedtime earlier by even half an hour, every night, can change the whole pattern within a week. The child wakes up fresher, comes home less tired, and needs the nap less often. Parents sometimes resist an earlier bedtime because the evening feels short already, but a child who sleeps well at night gives the family better evenings than a child who is tired all day and wide awake at midnight.

Fitting the Nap Into a Real School Day

A nap only works if it fits into the day a family actually lives, and most families do not live a neat, quiet day. The child comes home, there are shoes to take off, a bag to empty, hands to wash, and often a younger brother or sister making noise in the next room. The television may already be on. Someone may be cooking. The phone may be ringing. In a house like that, a nap does not happen by itself. It needs a small plan, and the plan does not need to be complicated. The child comes in, drinks a glass of water, eats a small snack, and lies down in a quiet corner for a short rest. The curtains are drawn a little, the television is turned down, and someone in the house knows to wake the child gently after about half an hour. That is the whole plan, and when it happens most days, the child begins to expect it, and the body begins to settle into it without a fight.

Homework is the part that worries parents most, because homework feels urgent and a nap feels like lost time. In practice, the order matters less than the tiredness. A child who sits down to homework the moment they walk in, with heavy eyes and a tired brain, will take twice as long and learn half as much. The same child, after twenty minutes of rest and a glass of water, will often finish the same work in half the time and with far less argument. The nap does not steal time from homework. It gives the homework a rested mind to work with. Some families do the other way round, a little homework first and then a rest, and that can work too if the child is not too tired. The test is simple to run at home. Try rest first for a week, notice how long the homework takes and how the evening feels, and then you will know what suits your child better than any general rule could tell you.

Dinner is the other anchor in the evening, and a nap that runs too close to dinner can spoil the appetite. A child who wakes from a long sleep at seven in the evening may not want to eat, and then they are hungry again at ten, when they should be sleeping. A short nap that ends in the late afternoon leaves plenty of time for the child to wake up properly, play a little, eat dinner with the family, and then wind down toward bed. The evening works best when it has a gentle shape to it: rest, then a little activity, then dinner, then something calm, then bed. When the nap pushes everything later, the whole shape bends, and bedtime is the part that suffers first.

Weekends are different from school days, and the nap can be different too. On a Saturday, there is no school bell and no homework waiting, so a longer rest in the afternoon does less harm. A child who is tired after a week of early mornings may sleep for an hour on a Saturday afternoon and still fall asleep at a reasonable time, because the week has built up a real need for rest. That is not a problem. It is the body catching up. The mistake is to let the weekend pattern carry into Monday, with late nights on Sunday and a long nap on Monday afternoon that pushes bedtime late again. A weekend lie-in and a weekend nap are fine, but Sunday evening still needs to point back toward the school week, with an earlier bed, so Monday starts fresh.

There are also days when the plan simply does not work, and it helps to accept that without turning it into a failure. Guests arrive, the house is full, the child comes home late from a school event, or the electricity goes and the room is too hot to sleep in. On those days, a quiet rest on the sofa, with a book or a story, is enough. The child does not have to fall asleep for the rest to help. Sitting quietly, with eyes closed for a while, gives the brain a break from the noise of the day. Parents sometimes feel that a day without a nap is a day lost, but a tired child who rests quietly for twenty minutes has still been looked after. The aim is not a perfect routine. It is a home where rest is allowed, where tiredness is noticed, and where the child knows that stopping for a while is a normal part of the day, not a reward for finishing everything first.

My Take:

If you ask me what I think about naps after school, my answer is simple: a short nap is a kind and sensible thing, and a long late nap is a quiet thief that steals the night. I say that because I have seen both sides of it, not in books but in real homes, where the same child can have a lovely evening after a short rest and a terrible night after a long one. The nap itself is not good or bad. It is a tool, and like any tool, it works well when it is used in the right way and at the right time, and it causes trouble when it is used without thinking. Parents do not need to feel guilty about letting a child nap, and they do not need to feel guilty about waking a child up either. They only need to watch, to try, and to notice what happens next.

I think the most important thing is to trust what you see in front of you. You know your child better than any article, including this one. You know the days when they come home bright and ready to play, and you know the days when they come home like a candle that has burned down to the end. On the bright days, no nap is needed, and the child will probably not want one. On the worn-out days, a short rest is the kindest thing you can give, and you should give it without worrying about what other parents think. Some parents worry that a nap makes a child lazy, or that neighbours will judge them. I think that worry is misplaced. A tired child who rests is not lazy. A tired child who is pushed to keep going until they cry is not being raised well. Rest is not the opposite of hard work. Rest is what makes hard work possible, and a child who learns that early will be stronger for it all their life.

I also think we should be honest about how much school asks of children now. The days are longer than they used to be. The bags are heavier. The homework starts earlier. The pressure to do well begins when children are still very small. A child who spends seven or eight hours at school, then comes home to tuition and homework, is working a day as long as many adults work, and they are doing it with a smaller body and a younger brain. Is it any surprise that they fall asleep on the sofa? I do not think so. I think the nap is often the body’s honest answer to a day that asked too much, and the right response is not to blame the child for being tired, but to ask whether the day itself could be a little kinder. That may mean less tuition, or homework done after a rest instead of before it, or simply a quiet hour after school when nobody asks the child for anything at all.

There is something else I want to say, and it is about the evening. Many families spend the evening fighting about homework, dinner, and bedtime, and the tiredness underneath all of it is never named. The child is tired, the parents are tired, and everyone is snapping at each other over small things. A short nap in the afternoon can change the whole evening, not because it fixes everything, but because it gives the child a little patience back, and patience is what the evening runs on. I have noticed that when a child wakes from a good short nap, they are more willing to sit down, more willing to talk about their day, and more willing to eat dinner without a battle. That is not a small thing. A peaceful evening is worth more than an extra half hour of homework done through tears, and parents who protect the nap are really protecting the evening for the whole family.

I want to say something about teenagers too, because I think they are often misunderstood here. When a teenager sleeps for two hours after school, parents often call them lazy, and the teenager feels hurt and misunderstood. But a teenager who is sleeping all afternoon is often a teenager who is not sleeping at night, and the reason is usually a phone, or worry, or a timetable that starts too early for a body that naturally wants to sleep late. Calling them lazy does not fix any of that. Sitting with them and asking about the night is a better start. What time do you fall asleep? What keeps you awake? Would it help to keep the phone out of the room? These are simple questions, and they treat the teenager as a person rather than a problem. A nap is not the enemy here. The enemy is a night that is too short, and the nap is only the sign that the night is failing.

I also think parents should not turn the nap into a strict rule. Every child is different, and every day is different. Some children nap well and wake up fresh. Some children never nap, and a quiet rest suits them better. Some children need a nap every day, and some need it only on exam days. The mistake is to decide once, for all children and all days, that naps are good or that naps are bad. That kind of fixed rule ignores the child in front of you. The better way is to watch for a week, try a short nap on the tired days, and notice what happens to bedtime and to the morning. If bedtime stays easy and the morning stays bright, you have found something that works. If bedtime becomes a fight, the nap was too long or too late, and you can shorten it or move it earlier. That is not failure. That is learning, and learning is what good parenting looks like.

If a friend asked me what to do with their tired child after school, I would tell them to keep it simple. Let the child come home, drink some water, eat a small snack, and lie down for twenty or thirty minutes in a quiet room. Wake them gently. Give them a few minutes to wake up properly. Then let the evening begin. Do not let the nap run for two hours. Do not let it start at seven in the evening. And if the child needs a long nap every single day, look at the night first, because the night is where the real answer usually lives. An earlier bedtime, a calmer evening, and a phone kept away at night will do more than any nap ever can.

I would also tell that friend not to worry about what other families do. One neighbour’s child may never nap. Another neighbour’s child may nap every day. Neither family is wrong. Children have different bodies, different schools, different days, and different needs. The only comparison that matters is your child yesterday and your child today. Is today better? Is the evening calmer? Is the morning brighter? Those are the questions that count, and they are answered by watching your own child, not by watching anyone else’s. In the end, my view is that a short nap after school is a small, kind, sensible habit, and that the parents who offer it with care are doing something right. Rest is not a luxury for children. It is part of growing up well, and a home that makes room for rest is a home that understands what children really need.

I want to add something about the child who says no to a nap, because that child is common and parents often do not know what to do with them. Some children will lie down happily. Others will argue, or lie there with their eyes open, or get up five times for water. That does not mean the child is not tired. It often means the child is afraid of missing something, or does not want the day to end, or simply does not like being told to sleep. For that child, I would not make the nap a battle. I would call it a quiet time instead, and I would keep the rules light. Lie down, rest your eyes, listen to a story, and if sleep comes, it comes. If it does not come, the child has still rested, and the evening will still be better than if they had carried on without stopping. A quiet time that a child accepts is worth far more than a nap that a child fights, because the fight itself uses up the energy the rest was meant to save.

There is also the question of who is at home in the afternoon, and I think it matters more than people admit. In many homes, the mother is busy with cooking and housework, an older sister is looking after the younger ones, or a grandmother is watching the children while the parents are at work. The person who is there in the afternoon is the person who decides, in the moment, whether the tired child sleeps or stays up. That person needs a simple rule they can follow without thinking too hard, and I think the rule is this: if the child is falling asleep where they sit, let them sleep for a short time in a quiet place, and wake them gently. If the child is bright and asking to play, let them play. You do not need a clock and a chart. You need eyes that can see the child in front of you, and the freedom to act on what you see.

I think about the school day itself too, and I wonder whether we ask children to sit still for too long without a break. A young child is not built to sit at a desk for hours, and the body tells us so by getting tired, fidgety, and slow. Some schools give a proper break in the middle of the day, and children come home in better shape. Others keep the day packed from start to finish, and the children come home exhausted. Parents cannot change the school timetable on their own, but they can talk to the teacher, gently, if their child comes home worn out every single day. A short note, a word at the school gate, a question about whether the child could rest for a few minutes after lunch. Small requests like that are not complaining. They are looking after a child, and a good teacher would rather hear it than watch a child struggle through the afternoon.

Holidays teach us something useful here as well. Watch a child on a school holiday, when there is no bell and no bag and no homework. Most children still get tired in the afternoon, and many of them still fall asleep on their own, without anyone telling them to. That tells me the need for rest is real, and it is not only about school. It is about how a young body works. The body gets tired, it asks for rest, and if rest is allowed, it recovers and carries on. School only makes the pattern clearer, because it packs so much into one morning. A home that notices that pattern, on holidays and on school days alike, is a home that is working with the child’s body instead of against it.

One more thing I would say to a parent who is unsure is to keep a simple note for a week, in your head if not on paper. On Monday, did the child rest, and how was the evening? On Tuesday, was there no rest, and was bedtime harder? You do not need a formal diary. You only need to notice the link between the afternoon and the night, because once you see it clearly, the decision makes itself. If the days with a short rest end with a calmer dinner and an easier bedtime, keep the rest. If the days with a long rest end with a child awake at midnight, shorten the rest. That is not guesswork. That is learning from your own home, and I trust that kind of learning more than any article, including this one. Your child is the evidence, and your evenings are the result.

Frequently Asked Questions

Can “are naps good for kids after school” feel different for children and adults?

Yes. Children and adults have different bodies and different days. A young child may genuinely need a nap because their body is growing fast and their sleep need is high. An adult who naps after work is usually catching up on a short night or a long day. What is normal for a child, like a daily nap at the age of four, would be unusual for a healthy adult, which is why age is always part of the answer.

What makes “are naps good for kids after school” easier to understand in plain words?

It becomes easier when you think of a real day instead of a rule. Picture a child coming home with heavy eyes and a school bag, lying down for half an hour, and waking up brighter and ready for homework. That picture explains the idea better than any definition, because it shows the tiredness, the rest, and the change afterwards in one simple scene.

In simple words, what does “are naps good for kids after school” mean?

It means asking whether letting a child sleep for a short time after school helps them or causes problems later. A short nap in the early afternoon usually helps a tired child feel fresh again. A long nap late in the day usually makes bedtime harder, because the child is no longer sleepy at night. The answer depends on the length of the nap, the time it starts, and the age of the child.

Why do people ask “are naps good for kids after school” so often?

Parents ask it because the scene is so common. Almost every parent has watched their child fall asleep on the sofa after school and wondered whether to let them sleep or wake them up. They worry about two things at once: the child is clearly tired, and the night may suffer if the child sleeps now. That worry, felt by so many families, is why the question is asked again and again.

Does “are naps good for kids after school” change with age or daily routine?

Yes, it changes a lot with age. Young children often need a daily nap, children of seven to ten usually need one only on hard days, and teenagers who nap for hours every day may really be short of night sleep. Routine matters too. A hard exam day, a sports day, or a night of poor sleep can make a nap helpful on a day when it is not usually needed.

When is “are naps good for kids after school” most noticeable?

It is most noticeable on the tired days, when the child comes home quiet, heavy-eyed, and slow to answer, and falls asleep without being asked. It is also most noticeable when a nap goes wrong, such as a long evening nap that leaves the child wide awake at bedtime. On ordinary days, when the child comes home bright and active, the question hardly comes up at all.

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